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11:47
December 12, 2017


le barge

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Hi Guys,

   Well, I bought a Vel Satis a week ago, and to date have been delighted with it! (Bugs aside…)

   It's a 2002 Privilege 3.5 in Beige Angora with cream leather.

   Found it on Auto Trader, located in Eastbourne.

   The mission begins:  Noisy rear suspension

                                 Cabbage hi-fi that doesn't hi fi

                                 One only headlamp washer

                                 One broken keycard,(theother is fine)

                                 Headlights don't level

                                 Parking sensors u/s

 

Not a big list, though I'm sure that will change!

I've already been devouring the tech sections of the forum, and it's already been helpful.

So already a big thankyou for the knowledge.

Regards,   Paul.

21:39
December 12, 2017


dpress

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Welcome Paul – very few of us about these days I am afraid – rather like the cars. Delighted you have chosen the 3.5, mine has been a reliable old jalopy for almost 8 years now.

I have had the parking sensor, broken key card, and headlamp washer faults as per your list. Key card was fixed easily and cheaply by an eBay specialist. The parking sensor problem was diagnosed by my dealer during a routine service CLIP check (they told me which one it was) and I then bought a replacement off eBay and did it myself. Rear nearside gets the most crud and muck so it might be that one. Headlamp washer was a pain – is yours missing or just not working properly?

I sourced some Laguna ones and again the garage did it as part of a major service, as you have to take the bumper off to get any sort of access and my washer pump needed changing as well.

I don't know how early yours is, but my one was registered in July 2002 and has the smaller diameter wheel bolts (12mm instead of 14mm), which makes finding cheap rear discs a little more difficult. They tend to rust around the edges rather than wear out – unless you are very hard on the brakes they barely function and don't get hot enough.

Engine is a peach – the most restful car to drive I have ever had particularly in heavy traffic on the motorway when it just wafts along silently, but with the advantage that it can get a shift on if you need to. I use Shell super unleaded as a rule and usually get over 30 mpg to a tank, but I do save it for longer runs if I can. Did 600 miles up and back to Leeds a couple of weeks ago at 33 mpg. Only important thing to be aware of is that the oil takes a long time to drain back to the sump, so if checking you do need to wait 15 minutes after top up to get an accurate reading. I have occasionally had a fault where I have moved the car from the side of the house to the front, stopped the engine and on starting again moments later had a Service light low Oil Level show. Scared me to death the first time!

Good luck with your car

Steve

13:10
December 16, 2017


le barge

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Hi Steve,

  Thank you for the welcome.

  My car shares the same bolt size as yours, a surprise to me. I guess the later disc/hub units with the 14 mm could be used with a change of lugbolts?

  Both washers are present, but seem to be unreliable in use, and reluctant to retract when they do decide to operate.  I have some Wurth Silicone spray on order, I'm hoping that might help the process along.

  I need to get underneath to investigate the headlight levelling sensor(s), so clues to their whereabouts would be of real help!

  As for the Cabbage (!) hifi, well I get the displays, but not even a whimper from the speakers, and cannot get a CD into the slot either.  Don't seem to be any Cabasse manuals about either. I would need the version without SatNav, as the car is a Privilege.

   Fuel burn: well, it has already proved to be 50% more economic than my recently sold GMC 4.3 pickup, so a huge improvement there! I've used super grade so far, and it seems to work well, so I'll continue with it.

  I had the same oil level scare as you described, thanks for the heads-up!

  I'll have to get down and dirty to check the reversing sensors, and at your suggestion I'll go for L/H outer first, again thank you for the info.

  My sunroof has been taped closed by the previous owner, a task for warmer and drier days I think.

  Several "what car is that" comments in only two weeks!

  I'll keep you posted on progress.

  Thank you again for all,

  Regards,  Paul.

16:19
December 16, 2017


bmn

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Hi Paul,

           just been reading your posts. Regarding the sealed off sun roof. It has obviously been leaking and given this quick cure. The sunroof is susceptible to blocked drains which need to e cleared during servicing. They are two, one the front  left and the other on the right. There is one in the middle of the rear. They require blowing with an air hose. To check that they are clear open the roof and pour a jug of water into the channels and you will notice water coming out of the front right and left of the car beside the front wheels. 

I would also lift the carpets and the thick underlay down to the metal floor the check for previous water ingress.  This problem happened to my VS and it wasn't until the seatbelt tensioner fault showed up that the water was noticed. It had shorted a cable connection to the electric seat, The floor and the thick foam sound deadening were saturated.  It cost me £250.00 to get the carpets and underlays stripped out and dried for two days. A definite warning to all to check your drains on a regular basis

 Also had the same problem withe parking sensors. 

All the best,and I'm sure you'll enjoy the cars once the niggles are sorted. It's well worth the doing.

A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

Brian from a sunny and freezing St.Andrews Cool Frown

10:32
December 18, 2017


dpress

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Paul, my dialogys workshop manual has drawings showing that the height sensors are located rear nearside near to where the suspension arm attaches to the chassis, and front offside attached to the body and the inner part of the lower suspension arm. I have not crawled underneath mine to confirm this – and probably wouldn't know what I was looking at anyway!

If you are going to work on the car yourself then I would advise getting a copy of the dialogys manual, and also a fault code reader. I work on my motorcycles myself, but must admit leave almost all the Renault stuff to the local dealer who stick a fault code reader on it every service and check that side of thing out for me.

Regarding wheel bolts, the front discs appear to be the same regardless of size, as the hub is not included, but it is integral with the rear disc and therefore unique. I believe they felt the 12mm size was too small so changed over fairly early on in production. You would need to find a pair of new front hubs to change over to 14mm – I have never had any hint of an issue but it does mean that there is a limited choice of rear discs, and also they are often mis-described on eBay.

Hopefully silicon spray may lubricate your washers – they are made of plastic and cannot be serviced, so you may be advised to try and locate a spare or 2. The bumper needs to come off to get proper access. I managed to get a Laguna set part number 8200001913 which were fitted by the garage and are identical despite being a different part number.

I believe the multi changer CD player is the same part regardless of whether it has Sat Nav, and the front faces appear to be interchangeable as well if you buy one that is the wrong colour. There is a section in the dialogys about how to take it apart to remove jammed CDs. The amplifier unit is under the rear nearside seat squab, under the carpet, and sits in an area where water can collect. My own CD player works, but radio reception is very poor, which I have not been able to sort out – possibly the aerial amplifier which is up under the roof lining at the back.

At the end of the day it is a big comfy cheap car, and I put up with the minor issues I have because of that. 

 

Cheers, Steve

07:52
December 22, 2017


le barge

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Hi Guys,

  Thanks for the responses.

  The sunroof problem is for a drier brighter day to investigate, Drains are my thoughts too…

  I've improved operation of one washer post, the other (l/h) is proving difficult, so I guess some new ones would be the order of the day.

  Next time the weather is dry-ish I'll be under the car to look at the rear headlight sensor, the front is intact.

  Dipped headlights are just plain miserable, and dangerous in wet conditions, with very poor definition and output. I suspect old xenon bulbs and bloomed lenses are the culprits here. More to investigate….

  Did a 240 mile trip on Tuesday, quiet, comfortable and 28mpg in mixed traffic, so pleased with all that. Better times to come I think.

  Thanks again guys for your interest, and Happy Christmas to all our readers.

  Paul.

   

11:44
January 10, 2018


le barge

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Well, made some more progress.

   The r/h washer stem now extends, sprays, and retracts, after some persuasion and application of some Wurth silicone spray. Now for the l/h…

   Fitted a much better r/h xenon headlight unit, and at the same time fitted new Osram Xenarc Nightbreaker Unlimited D2S  dip bulbs. These are superb! Now I can see….

    Also some Osram W5W intense blue sidelight bulbs, to escape the orange glow of the old ones. Again, superb. 

    Now to save up for the Osram main beam bulbs to finish the job.

    No succesSmiles yet with the levelling problem, I'll get round to that shortly. Same with the taped up sunroof, oh, and the silent hifi…..

    More to follow when progress made.

    Meantime, keep these cars rolling!

    Best,  Paul.

20:28
January 10, 2018


dpress

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Well done. I had always thought that replacing bulbs was a dealer only job due to the high voltages etc. I must admit I had always thought the beam was OK on dipped but I was out the other evening on narrow unlit wet roads and was not impressed with being unable to see my way! Perhaps a job for the future – any tips on how to do this gratefully received.

Also I was under the impression that only the dipped beam was Xenon, and the main beam was a normal bulb? I must admit I have never tried to investigate due to the relative lack of access.

Regarding the headlamp washer, as the LH one is furthest from the pump, if your pump is not giving sufficient pressure then that might be a cause of it not working. I know I had to have the whole lot replaced, pump and washers.

 

Cheers, Steve

18:14
January 12, 2018


le barge

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Hi Steve,

  Well, got the l/h outer reversing sensor changed, not much space to work in there! But done and working.

  Sounds like your headlights have the same situation as mine had. Even without the levelling system operating my lights are already a worthwhile improvement, and much less fraught for wet nighttime driving.

  Headlights with xenon are conventional bulbs for high beam, I shall be fitting Osram Cool Blue Hyper Plus H9 bulbs as soon as I can spare the 50 quid asking price!

  Bulb installation is fairly involved, but once the "don't know" element is overcome, then it's surprisingly straighforward. The headlights simply will not come out with the bumper in place. But removal is okay.  I can run it by you if you want to know how.

  I bought an iCarsoft RT11 scanner, which diagnosed the reverse sensor failure, handy stuff. It also diagnoses powerplant faults with codes and reset capability. I hoped it would do the headlight levelling system, disappointed that it seems not.  CanClip seems to be the only method for body diagnosis.

   I also bought the Dyalogis manual, haven't had time to load it yet, but hope to do so shortly.

   So, my worklist for the car is reducing, but I just know there are still gremlins hiding in there!

   Keep smiling,   Paul. Laugh

23:27
January 12, 2018


dpress

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Good stuff Paul. I had a 400 mile round trip to Southend today (lovely…) which was unremarkable until the stereo went 'phut' half the way round the M25. Seems completely knackered – there appears to be electricity getting to the head unit as the on switch illuminates and there is a single click through the speakers when you try and turn it on, but no display, sound or anything. Sat Nav still working, so I am thinking it may just be the head unit? I will be up to Halfords to get the little tools to remove it tomorrow if I can.

 

If you have any pointers about front bumper removal it would be appreciated – I need to change the windscreen washer motor at some point which needs the bumper to come off. Plonkers at the garage did the headlamp washer motor but not the other one, so I have still got no rear screen wash, and it is a bumper off job. Also I don't want to gift them the quoted price of about £200 to do it!

 

Good luck with the Dyalogis – it is useful but my one is rather illogical in layout so that you can spend a lot of time trying to find the right document when researching an issue. The images are rubbish as well, but then it is meant for mechanics and not numpties like me….

 

Steve

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