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If Your Vel Satis Sat Nav Displays a Red Satellite Icon

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11:50
January 4, 2011


Team

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Post edited 11:51 – January 4, 2011 by Team


If like numerous other Renault Vel Satis owners, the CD-ROM based sat nav in your Initiale (or Privilege, maybe) model Vel Satis is now displaying a red satellite icon and doesn't update your position any more, there's a strong chance that your shark fin GPS sat nav antenna aerial (the black thing sticking up from your Vel Satis' roof, near the boot) has packed up, possibly due to water ingress.
Some Vel Satis owners have fixed the problem cheaply, but replacing the original roof-attached GPS sat nav aerial/antenna with an internal aerial that sits on their dashboard. This is possible because the sat nav GPS aerial in a Vel Satis (and other Renault models like the Laguna, Espace, etc) is connected to the back of the CD-ROM Drive (made by VDO Dayton, incidentally) which is located in the glovebox compartment. So you should be able to disconnect the original, roof-mounted sat nav arial, and connect a new, cheap one, and sit it on your dash board. We're not offering any advice on what type of ariel to buy – you'll need to research that yourself, unless another forum member or Vel Satis owner pipes up with some aerial buying tips!
The other option to solve the red satellite icon/symbol in your Renault Vel Satis screen is to get another genuine Renault sharkfin aerial. These can often be found on eBay, perhaps from people/businesses who are breaking up scrap Vel Satises (shame!). Genuine Renault shark fin sat nav aerials/antennae can be picked up on eBay for about £20-30, used, and they often work fine. If the ends of the wires/cables look messy, don't panic, you can often chop some bits off the cables, to reveal the actual bit you need to connect to your car, once you've removed your original, now faulty, aerial. Incidentally, the new antenna needs connecting to the electronics hidden behind the boot lining, located behind the grille on the offside rear, behind the rear light enclosure.
Of course, a Renault dealer will be happy to fit a new sharkfin GPS sat nav antenna for you, but they often charge between £150 and £200.
Any questions, just get in touch and we'll either help out of point you in the right direction!

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13:32
October 31, 2011


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Has anyone considered that the problem may be with the connectors along the way, between the sharks fin and the back of the satnav unit?  What is actually in the sharks fin itself that could go wrong?

Has anyone tried to cuse the red satellite icon problem by using switch cleaner on the connectors, unplugging and re-plugging them? 

It strikes me that as the voltages/currents along the aerial cable must be absolutely tiny, the signal would be highly susceptible to problems of oxidation and poor connection at any connectors.

13:48
October 31, 2011


R9UKE

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I've heard that the problem is the aerial's poor weather proofing.  It suffers from water ingress and so fails.  

19:53
August 28, 2012


bracken

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Team said:

If like numerous other Renault Vel Satis owners, the CD-ROM based sat nav in your Initiale (or Privilege, maybe) model Vel Satis is now displaying a red satellite icon and doesn't update your position any more, there's a strong chance that your shark fin GPS sat nav antenna aerial (the black thing sticking up from your Vel Satis' roof, near the boot) has packed up, possibly due to water ingress.
 
Some Vel Satis owners have fixed the problem cheaply, but replacing the original roof-attached GPS sat nav aerial/antenna with an internal aerial that sits on their dashboard. This is possible because the sat nav GPS aerial in a Vel Satis (and other Renault models like the Laguna, Espace, etc) is connected to the back of the CD-ROM Drive (made by VDO Dayton, incidentally) which is located in the glovebox compartment. So you should be able to disconnect the original, roof-mounted sat nav arial, and connect a new, cheap one, and sit it on your dash board. We're not offering any advice on what type of ariel to buy – you'll need to research that yourself, unless another forum member or Vel Satis owner pipes up with some aerial buying tips!
 
The other option to solve the red satellite icon/symbol in your Renault Vel Satis screen is to get another genuine Renault sharkfin aerial. These can often be found on eBay, perhaps from people/businesses who are breaking up scrap Vel Satises (shame!). Genuine Renault shark fin sat nav aerials/antennae can be picked up on eBay for about £20-30, used, and they often work fine. If the ends of the wires/cables look messy, don't panic, you can often chop some bits off the cables, to reveal the actual bit you need to connect to your car, once you've removed your original, now faulty, aerial. Incidentally, the new antenna needs connecting to the electronics hidden behind the boot lining, located behind the grille on the offside rear, behind the rear light enclosure.
 
Of course, a Renault dealer will be happy to fit a new sharkfin GPS sat nav antenna for you, but they often charge between £150 and £200.
 
Any questions, just get in touch and we'll either help out of point you in the right direction!

20:01
August 28, 2012


bracken

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dboyce said:

Has anyone considered that the problem may be with the connectors along the way, between the sharks fin and the back of the satnav unit?  What is actually in the sharks fin itself that could go wrong?

Has anyone tried to cuse the red satellite icon problem by using switch cleaner on the connectors, unplugging and re-plugging them? 

It strikes me that as the voltages/currents along the aerial cable must be absolutely tiny, the signal would be highly susceptible to problems of oxidation and poor connection at any connectors.

Hello.

I am a new Vel Satis owner with a 53 plate Initiale v6. My satnav does not update my position and shows a red satellite icon. I purchased and attached a new aerial mounted on the dashboard but this has not rectified the problem. The cd rom is a copy so I have just purchased a genuine disc on ebay. I will try this and see what happens and let you know. If this does not work I am looking for further advice. Thankyou in advance.

15:53
October 21, 2012


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bracken said:

dboyce said:

Has anyone considered that the problem may be with the connectors along the way, between the sharks fin and the back of the satnav unit?  What is actually in the sharks fin itself that could go wrong?

Has anyone tried to cuse the red satellite icon problem by using switch cleaner on the connectors, unplugging and re-plugging them? 

It strikes me that as the voltages/currents along the aerial cable must be absolutely tiny, the signal would be highly susceptible to problems of oxidation and poor connection at any connectors.

Hello.

I am a new Vel Satis owner with a 53 plate Initiale v6. My satnav does not update my position and shows a red satellite icon. I purchased and attached a new aerial mounted on the dashboard but this has not rectified the problem. The cd rom is a copy so I have just purchased a genuine disc on ebay. I will try this and see what happens and let you know. If this does not work I am looking for further advice. Thankyou in advance. It has become apparent that the problem was a fault in the connection at the back of the cd rom/sat nav player and not in the fin. I found out after cutting the plug off the end of the connection and attaching it to a new dashboard mounted aerial and this did not work either. I had the unit checked by an electrician who fitted a new female socket on the back and as soon as I plugged in the aerial the icon turned green. I had also purchased a replacement unit and aerial including cd rom which also works so I will place on ebay in next couple of days unless I hear from anyone who requires it. 

17:25
October 21, 2012


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When I got my Initiale, we had a free standing TomTom, which we loved. But it worked only intermittently on the dashboard. It turned out that the anti-heat coating on the windscreen interferes with the GPS signal. There is a portion of windscreen up behind the rear view mirror that is not coated, so an internal aerial would have to attach to that bit of the windscreen. From what has been said,  the Vel's aerial input to the Vel's GPS box could be disconneted and used to feed into a separate unit. Worth doing, as the Vel's GPS system is archaic compared to Tomtom.

Andrew

21:00
September 28, 2016


dpress

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I know this is an old post, but I recently lost the GPS signal from my aerial. As this is the first and only car I have had a Sat Nav in I thought I could manage without, but as the song says 'You don't know what you've got til its gone' and a trip around Leeds last week convinced me I needed to sort it out.

The aerial/GPS junction plate is on the rear offside pillar accessed by taking the plastic trim panel off (one torx screw), and although the connection was sound I could not get a signal back. A small amount of research ended with me buying a new magnetic aerial sold via Amazon by Startechnik-uk and described on the site as an 'External Antenna AVMAP'. This cost me £14.99 delivered from the Fatherland (although made in China….) and took all of 2 minutes to fit. The plug is the correct size and orientation to attach at the original junction location and after some experimenting I simply placed the small magnetic box on the metal shelf under the trim panel facing up through the rear hatch, and slid all the unneeded cable down behind the soundproofing.

My green aerial signal returned straight away, and all functions are working again after a 30 mile test today, including in areas where I know there is a very poor mobile signal, so I am hoping I will not need to relocate the aerial again. I could of course have attached it directly to the Sat Nav unit in the glove box but as the original wiring is well hidden and not likely to become damaged through corrosion etc I just attached at the junction box.

Job sorted and at minimal cost, which always helps..!

 

dpress

10:37
October 2, 2016


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Hi dpress

Wonderful, your posting is gold! Just to be sure: is the plastic trim panel you refer to the grey one accessed by lifting the hatch, on the trailing edge of the pillar, and not the one internal to the cabin?

Andrew

19:43
October 2, 2016


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Yes it is. The panel I removed is the one that the parcel shelf clips into (on either side) both of which have interior lights fitted into them, and are solely in the boot space. Just a single T25 (I think) screw at the back end, and then you lift up the bottom of the panel and prise it out. It has some clips at the upper edge, and also one that fits under the rubber hatch seal. You then need to pull the top of the carpet and sound proofing away from the inner wing to reveal the connection plate, with the aerial lead being the thinnest one of the 3 leads. To take the trim panel out of the way completely you need to unplug the interior light, but that is a simple push fit connector.

With the panel removed there is a small area of horizontal metalwork that I placed the magnetic unit one, and it is then covered completely by the plastic trim panel.

Tested it again today with a trip from the West Country up to West London, all round Hammersmith and Putney, and had a good signal for the whole journey.

 

dpress


 

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