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Took my VS in to Renault dealer for a service yesterday morning

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15:15
July 11, 2011


very tall brad

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Good thinking. I agree totally. I use a rule of thumb that you should only buy a car if it's greater than £10,000 or under £1,000. Let me explain. Anything in between is going to be a used car and come with many faults and the need for repairs. Paying over £10,000 will normally get you a new/nearly new car complete with all the advantages that they come with (warranty, no need for replacement parts).

 

Buying cheap (under £1000) means you are buying something into which you can then afford to spend on getting it exactly as you would like it to be – new tyres, service, cambelt etc.

 

My latest VS I paid £575 for. It is still not on the road but does now owe me £3950 all in for new tyres, a service, cambelt, new calipers and discs and pads all round, new handbrake electronics, new key card reader, new key cards, new number plates, new door mirror, bits of paintwork, new screen. It still won't start, though. So there is some way to go yet. The alternative would be to have paid £3000 – 4500 and STILL be unsure that I wouldn't need some or all of what this car had required.

 

Good luck with your car.

 

Brad

15:39
July 11, 2011


dboyce

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Very logical thinking, Brad!

I do think, though, that maybe I could have been firmer about just getting the car back off them, driving it home, and getting my local guy to do all the stuff. Or getting the Dealer just to do the fuel injection fault thing, since my own local guy suggested getting the Renault diagnostic.  However, I will just have to bite the bullet now!  I'll itemise everything on here later.

Top Gear was interesting last night, where they compared the cheapest new car available in the UK with what you could get secondhand by way of prestige cars for the same money!

23:42
July 12, 2011


Vel Haggis

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I expect the sensor is the boost pressure sensor, because the CLIP is telling them the boost pressure is off. I do hope this fixes it. Although replacing a sensor because it gives a reading you don't like strikes me as a bit "Doctor Evil". After all, if the sensor is reporting correctly, then it is something else causing the boost to be off.

In my case it was a warped / leaking rocker cover / inlet manifold which was allowing oil to be pushed up into the inlet from the engine.

13:08
July 19, 2011


dboyce

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Post edited 19:34 – July 19, 2011 by dboyce


I parked the little red Micra, the courtesy car I've been driving, outside TKMax in Perth (Scotland, not Western Australia) and when I came out, there was a leaflet on it inviting me to join Curves Gym, "lose inches and meet like-minded women"……  I didn't join.

 

Picked my car up yesterday, and returned the Micra.  Feeling still a bit woozy after days of dental abscess, antibiotics, painkillers, had a moment of alarm when my left foot couldn't find the clutch pedal! (it's an auto Initiale). As soon as I drove off I found myself thinking, almost as if the car was not mine, "Ohhh, this is a nice car!"

 

Here is the cost of the parts ex VAT, with Renault Part numbers (Quantity for each is 1):

 

R77 01 206 609 BRAKE PADS L2                     46.46

R77 01 049 283 HSG BALL JOINT L2               45.19

R77 01 474 004 KIT OIL FILTER VS                 44.57

R77 01 052 925 SUMP PLUG WSHR VS              1.62

NKE26289960 BULB 12V 5W                            0.57

R82 00 602 619  WISHBONE LH                      59.05

R82 00 206 861 GAITER                                 19.69

R77 01 052 661 SENSOR PRESSUREE4             86.86 (MAP Sensor)

R82 00 602 620 BRAS INF AV D EQP                59.05 (Arm o/s)

R82 00 548 352 RESSORT SUSPENSIO             83.93 (Susp Spring)

R77 01 207 350 022891/TOP MOUNT KIT         51.23

 

The total inc. VAT for supplying and fitting all those parts, plus carrying out a 'Renault Expert Service' plus extra for oil came to a thrilling £1491.52

 

Labour is broken down per part fitting and if members wish, I could post the separate Labour charge for each part.

 

They didn't charge me for re-gassing the Air Con which wasn't working, although they did charge labour for checking it out. Happily they report that there are no leaks, and I enjoyed the cold breeze as I drove about this morning. So good to have it working again.

 

They also made a nice job of cleaning/polishing the leather interior.

21:38
July 19, 2011


Vel Haggis

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Yikes, that was some service. Please let us know if the MAP sensor replacement cured the Fuel Injection fault.

22:29
July 19, 2011


R9UKE

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My God, Vel Satis getting start treatment there, nice to see!

I was looking through my Avantime's pile of receipts and it has had the same spent on it at visits to the dealers.  One invoice totals £1984 for a cambelt change Surprised

10:20
July 20, 2011


Vel Haggis

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I re-read this thread and noticed:

 

"In relation to the "faulty fuel injection" messsage, they are renewing a sensor (I forget which she said, but it's not the MAP sensor), as that is what thier diagnostic is showing. They have warned however, that some other component behind the sensor (again I forget which, but will find out and post here in due course) may be to blame. But they have to start with the sensor"

and yet they replaced the MAP sensor? I find it incredibly frustrating that in this day and age a Renault dealer will not replace the part, test-drive the car, try and replicate the fault and then replace the next part if necessary. If they replace the MAP sensor and no fix, then how can they be sure they needed to replace it at all? I'm sure they won't refund you on that part and labour if it needs further remedial work :(

This comes back to my point about them replacing a sensor because they don't like what it is telling them. That would be like replacing the oil pressure sensor because it was showing low oil and not checking the fact that the sump was empty Yell

11:33
July 20, 2011


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Thanks for the detailed record of the parts they serviced etc and how much it all cost.

I'm jealous that you've got an ice cold air con. Mine's a bit temperamental!

My first MoT and service came to just shy of £2,000, so I know how it feels. But since then my costs have been much lower each year, so hopefully it will be the same for you.

12:34
July 20, 2011


dboyce

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Post edited 12:41 – July 20, 2011 by dboyce


Indeed I said "not the MAP sensor". 

When the service receptionist phoned me to describe their findings and the work that they considered needed doing, she mentioned a sensor. But she did not call it the MAP Sensor or Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor, or any variant that I recognised. She might have called it an Inlet Sensor or something like that, I cannot quite remember. 

If I had been really "on the ball" in the phone conversation, I would have quried this and asked for a part number.  Because in fact I had a new MAP sensor fitted one year ago!  I have just checked through the invoices.  They also at that time carried out "wiring repair to MAP sensor".  It definitely is the same part that they have re-replaced, same Part No.

In the light of this, I feel in my water that the "injection faulty" message is still going to pop up from time to time. I've not yet tried the car on my steep "test street" yet.

The girl did say on the phone that they could not guarantee that it was the Sensor but that it might be some component behind it (I have forgotten which component she specifed), but that their dignostic indicated the Sensor and they had to start with that.

I thought at the time "Well at least she didn't say the MAP Sensor, which I think has already been replaced!". 

Do you folks think it would be worth my querying why Renault MAP Sensors apparently last less than a year?

 

P.S. Yesterday at teatime the car would not start because the battery was flat! 

This is the third time that's happened, and the second time with what is quite a new battery.  The AA guy did say on testing that it's possible on the basis of his readings that there could be am internal problem in my particular battery and that I could ask Halfords about changing it (he helpfully gave me a printout of his computer machine thingy's readout to support this).  He also said that something like a sticky relay could be a culprit causing the battery to apparently randomly drain, in these complicated cars.

 

 

Vel Haggis said:

I re-read this thread and noticed:

 

"In relation to the "faulty fuel injection" messsage, they are renewing a sensor (I forget which she said, but it's not the MAP sensor), as that is what thier diagnostic is showing. They have warned however, that some other component behind the sensor (again I forget which, but will find out and post here in due course) may be to blame. But they have to start with the sensor"

and yet they replaced the MAP sensor? I find it incredibly frustrating that in this day and age a Renault dealer will not replace the part, test-drive the car, try and replicate the fault and then replace the next part if necessary. If they replace the MAP sensor and no fix, then how can they be sure they needed to replace it at all? I'm sure they won't refund you on that part and labour if it needs further remedial work :(

This comes back to my point about them replacing a sensor because they don't like what it is telling them. That would be like replacing the oil pressure sensor because it was showing low oil and not checking the fact that the sump was empty Yell

16:46
July 20, 2011


dboyce

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Well, I can report that I took the car up my "test street" this afternoon and a few other hills, and I have not been able to make the "Fuel Injection Faulty" thing kick in.

However, I am not convinced – why should I be? – that it's because of having a new MAP Sensor. 

One of the faults I reported on the car when I put it in, was a torn small hose or gaiter, part of an air intake, which an AA guy had previously noticed, and fixed with superglue and tape, but which had given way.  I actually left a note asking if this could have contributed to the recent worsening of the "Faulty Fuel Injection" syndrome.  You see, when I had a leaky brake servo unit, which takes vacuum from the engine to assist braking, the Syndrome would immediately kick in every single time I started the car, unless I moved off while it was still in diagnostic startup mode.  So it seemed to me that anything affecting air pressure anywhere might  be implicated in the Syndrome.

But whadda I know?

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